Discussion:
A few tooltips
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Paul Licameli
2017-07-17 06:31:49 UTC
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This is the last thing I'll push this release that isn't a bug fix.

I put a few tooltips back in track panel. None for the proper track area.
A few for the vertical rulers of Wave and Note tracks, the track panel
rearrange drag, and the menu, mute, solo, close, and minimize buttons.

I wanted at least to complete the similarity of TCP buttons to toolbar
buttons -- having a status message that agrees with the tooltip, and also
mentions the appropriate shortcut key. The oddity here is that mute, solo,
and close have shortcuts (Ctrl+U, +S, +C) but only in case the track is
focused.

If anyone really hates these, I will revert them.

PRL
Peter Sampson
2017-07-17 11:39:36 UTC
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Any chance we could also get tooltips to identify the Pan and
Gain sliders?

Peter
Post by Paul Licameli
This is the last thing I'll push this release that isn't a bug fix.
I put a few tooltips back in track panel. None for the proper track
area. A few for the vertical rulers of Wave and Note tracks, the track
panel rearrange drag, and the menu, mute, solo, close, and minimize buttons.
I wanted at least to complete the similarity of TCP buttons to toolbar
buttons -- having a status message that agrees with the tooltip, and also
mentions the appropriate shortcut key. The oddity here is that mute, solo,
and close have shortcuts (Ctrl+U, +S, +C) but only in case the track is
focused.
If anyone really hates these, I will revert them.
PRL
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Paul Licameli
2017-07-17 11:49:14 UTC
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On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:39 AM, Peter Sampson <
Post by Peter Sampson
Any chance we could also get tooltips to identify the Pan and
Gain sliders?
Peter
I'd like to but I have called a halt to new features today and I am
sticking to it. Fixes to errors and omissions only: no more new stuff,
which I would consider that.

Button and slider tooltips in the toolbars are a little different as to
color and use very different code. Making TCP buttons consistent with
toolbar buttons was easy, doing the same for sliders proves a little
harder, and I will leave it be for 2.2.0.

PRL
Post by Peter Sampson
Post by Paul Licameli
This is the last thing I'll push this release that isn't a bug fix.
I put a few tooltips back in track panel. None for the proper track
area. A few for the vertical rulers of Wave and Note tracks, the track
panel rearrange drag, and the menu, mute, solo, close, and minimize buttons.
I wanted at least to complete the similarity of TCP buttons to toolbar
buttons -- having a status message that agrees with the tooltip, and also
mentions the appropriate shortcut key. The oddity here is that mute, solo,
and close have shortcuts (Ctrl+U, +S, +C) but only in case the track is
focused.
If anyone really hates these, I will revert them.
PRL
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Peter Sampson
2017-07-17 12:36:38 UTC
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Th tooltip for the Vertical scale is incorrect/misleading. It says:

" ... Drag to specify a zoom region"

It should say:

" ... Click and drag to specify a zoom region."

Peter.
Post by Paul Licameli
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:39 AM, Peter Sampson <
Post by Peter Sampson
Any chance we could also get tooltips to identify the Pan and
Gain sliders?
Peter
I'd like to but I have called a halt to new features today and I am
sticking to it. Fixes to errors and omissions only: no more new stuff,
which I would consider that.
Button and slider tooltips in the toolbars are a little different as to
color and use very different code. Making TCP buttons consistent with
toolbar buttons was easy, doing the same for sliders proves a little
harder, and I will leave it be for 2.2.0.
PRL
Post by Peter Sampson
Post by Paul Licameli
This is the last thing I'll push this release that isn't a bug fix.
I put a few tooltips back in track panel. None for the proper track
area. A few for the vertical rulers of Wave and Note tracks, the track
panel rearrange drag, and the menu, mute, solo, close, and minimize buttons.
I wanted at least to complete the similarity of TCP buttons to toolbar
buttons -- having a status message that agrees with the tooltip, and also
mentions the appropriate shortcut key. The oddity here is that mute, solo,
and close have shortcuts (Ctrl+U, +S, +C) but only in case the track is
focused.
If anyone really hates these, I will revert them.
PRL
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Paul Licameli
2017-07-17 12:40:37 UTC
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On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Peter Sampson <
Post by Peter Sampson
" ... Drag to specify a zoom region"
" ... Click and drag to specify a zoom region."
Peter.
Are we sure of that wording convention? There are a few uses I can find of
"Drag to" in our strings. We don't say "Click and" in any of those others.

/Users/paullicameli/GitHub/audacity/src/tracks/playabletrack/notetrack/ui/NoteTrackVZoomHandle.cpp:58:_("Click
to verticaly zoom in, Shift-click to zoom out, Drag to create a particular
zoom region.");
/Users/paullicameli/GitHub/audacity/src/widgets/Ruler.cpp:2119:
return _("Drag to Seek. Release to stop seeking.");
/Users/paullicameli/GitHub/audacity/src/widgets/Ruler.cpp:2121:
return _("Drag to Seek. Release and move to Scrub.");
/Users/paullicameli/GitHub/audacity/src/widgets/Ruler.cpp:2124: return
_("Move to Scrub. Drag to Seek.");
/Users/paullicameli/GitHub/audacity/src/toolbars/ToolsToolBar.cpp:100:
mMessageOfTool[zoomTool] = _("Drag to Zoom Into Region, Right-Click to Zoom
Out");
/Users/paullicameli/GitHub/audacity/src/tracks/playabletrack/wavetrack/ui/WaveTrackVZoomHandle.cpp:504:_("Click
to vertically zoom in. Shift-click to zoom out. Drag to specify a zoom
region.");

PRL
Post by Peter Sampson
Post by Paul Licameli
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:39 AM, Peter Sampson <
Post by Peter Sampson
Any chance we could also get tooltips to identify the Pan and
Gain sliders?
Peter
I'd like to but I have called a halt to new features today and I am
sticking to it. Fixes to errors and omissions only: no more new stuff,
which I would consider that.
Button and slider tooltips in the toolbars are a little different as to
color and use very different code. Making TCP buttons consistent with
toolbar buttons was easy, doing the same for sliders proves a little
harder, and I will leave it be for 2.2.0.
PRL
Post by Peter Sampson
Post by Paul Licameli
This is the last thing I'll push this release that isn't a bug fix.
I put a few tooltips back in track panel. None for the proper track
area. A few for the vertical rulers of Wave and Note tracks, the track
panel rearrange drag, and the menu, mute, solo, close, and minimize buttons.
I wanted at least to complete the similarity of TCP buttons to toolbar
buttons -- having a status message that agrees with the tooltip, and also
mentions the appropriate shortcut key. The oddity here is that mute, solo,
and close have shortcuts (Ctrl+U, +S, +C) but only in case the track is
focused.
If anyone really hates these, I will revert them.
PRL
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Peter Sampson
2017-07-17 12:46:07 UTC
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Post by Paul Licameli
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Peter Sampson <
Post by Peter Sampson
" ... Drag to specify a zoom region"
" ... Click and drag to specify a zoom region."
Peter.
Are we sure of that wording convention? There are a few uses I can find
of "Drag to" in our strings. We don't say "Click and" in any of those
others.
The basic one is the Status Bar message you get when hovering on the
waveform pane:

" Click and drag to select audio"

and there are many instances in the Manual of "click and drag"

so I'm pretty sure ...

Peter.
Post by Paul Licameli
/Users/paullicameli/GitHub/audacity/src/tracks/playabletrack/notetrack/ui/
NoteTrackVZoomHandle.cpp:58:_("Click to verticaly zoom in, Shift-click to
zoom out, Drag to create a particular zoom region.");
return _("Drag to Seek. Release to stop seeking.");
return _("Drag to Seek. Release and move to Scrub.");
return _("Move to Scrub. Drag to Seek.");
mMessageOfTool[zoomTool] = _("Drag to Zoom Into Region, Right-Click to Zoom
Out");
/Users/paullicameli/GitHub/audacity/src/tracks/playabletrack/wavetrack/ui/
WaveTrackVZoomHandle.cpp:504:_("Click to vertically zoom in. Shift-click
to zoom out. Drag to specify a zoom region.");
PRL
Post by Peter Sampson
Post by Paul Licameli
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 7:39 AM, Peter Sampson <
Post by Peter Sampson
Any chance we could also get tooltips to identify the Pan and
Gain sliders?
Peter
I'd like to but I have called a halt to new features today and I am
sticking to it. Fixes to errors and omissions only: no more new stuff,
which I would consider that.
Button and slider tooltips in the toolbars are a little different as to
color and use very different code. Making TCP buttons consistent with
toolbar buttons was easy, doing the same for sliders proves a little
harder, and I will leave it be for 2.2.0.
PRL
Post by Peter Sampson
Post by Paul Licameli
This is the last thing I'll push this release that isn't a bug fix.
I put a few tooltips back in track panel. None for the proper track
area. A few for the vertical rulers of Wave and Note tracks, the track
panel rearrange drag, and the menu, mute, solo, close, and minimize buttons.
I wanted at least to complete the similarity of TCP buttons to toolbar
buttons -- having a status message that agrees with the tooltip, and also
mentions the appropriate shortcut key. The oddity here is that mute, solo,
and close have shortcuts (Ctrl+U, +S, +C) but only in case the track is
focused.
If anyone really hates these, I will revert them.
PRL
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David Bailes
2017-07-17 14:59:02 UTC
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Post by Paul Licameli
This is the last thing I'll push this release that isn't a bug fix.
I put a few tooltips back in track panel. None for the proper track
area. A few for the vertical rulers of Wave and Note tracks, the track
panel rearrange drag, and the menu, mute, solo, close, and minimize buttons.
I wanted at least to complete the similarity of TCP buttons to toolbar
buttons -- having a status message that agrees with the tooltip, and also
mentions the appropriate shortcut key. The oddity here is that mute, solo,
and close have shortcuts (Ctrl+U, +S, +C) but only in case the track is
focused.
If anyone really hates these, I will revert them.
Unless you can solve the following two problems, I think you should revert
them.
1. When you move the mouse pointer within a button, the tooltip flickers.
2. There is no delay before they appear, and so they get in the way of
normal usage.

The tooltips for the buttons in the toolbars don't have these problems.

David.
Post by Paul Licameli
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Paul Licameli
2017-07-17 15:17:31 UTC
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Post by David Bailes
Post by Paul Licameli
This is the last thing I'll push this release that isn't a bug fix.
I put a few tooltips back in track panel. None for the proper track
area. A few for the vertical rulers of Wave and Note tracks, the track
panel rearrange drag, and the menu, mute, solo, close, and minimize buttons.
I wanted at least to complete the similarity of TCP buttons to toolbar
buttons -- having a status message that agrees with the tooltip, and also
mentions the appropriate shortcut key. The oddity here is that mute, solo,
and close have shortcuts (Ctrl+U, +S, +C) but only in case the track is
focused.
If anyone really hates these, I will revert them.
Unless you can solve the following two problems, I think you should revert
them.
1. When you move the mouse pointer within a button, the tooltip flickers.
Does 14450d6d9fb650cc199f705b34ae49c1d8322fbb fix that for you?
Post by David Bailes
2. There is no delay before they appear, and so they get in the way of
normal usage.
This may vary with the operating system. Which system?
PRL
Post by David Bailes
The tooltips for the buttons in the toolbars don't have these problems.
David.
Post by Paul Licameli
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Peter Sampson
2017-07-17 15:23:11 UTC
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Post by Paul Licameli
Post by David Bailes
Post by Paul Licameli
This is the last thing I'll push this release that isn't a bug fix.
I put a few tooltips back in track panel. None for the proper track
area. A few for the vertical rulers of Wave and Note tracks, the track
panel rearrange drag, and the menu, mute, solo, close, and minimize buttons.
I wanted at least to complete the similarity of TCP buttons to toolbar
buttons -- having a status message that agrees with the tooltip, and also
mentions the appropriate shortcut key. The oddity here is that mute, solo,
and close have shortcuts (Ctrl+U, +S, +C) but only in case the track is
focused.
If anyone really hates these, I will revert them.
Unless you can solve the following two problems, I think you should
revert them.
1. When you move the mouse pointer within a button, the tooltip flickers.
Does 14450d6d9fb650cc199f705b34ae49c1d8322fbb fix that for you?
Post by David Bailes
2. There is no delay before they appear, and so they get in the way of
normal usage.
This may vary with the operating system. Which system?
Happens for me on W10 - and happens for James on Windows as we both
reported earlier.

Peter.
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Post by David Bailes
The tooltips for the buttons in the toolbars don't have these problems.
David.
Post by Paul Licameli
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David Bailes
2017-07-17 15:33:32 UTC
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Post by Paul Licameli
Post by David Bailes
Post by Paul Licameli
This is the last thing I'll push this release that isn't a bug fix.
I put a few tooltips back in track panel. None for the proper track
area. A few for the vertical rulers of Wave and Note tracks, the track
panel rearrange drag, and the menu, mute, solo, close, and minimize buttons.
I wanted at least to complete the similarity of TCP buttons to toolbar
buttons -- having a status message that agrees with the tooltip, and also
mentions the appropriate shortcut key. The oddity here is that mute, solo,
and close have shortcuts (Ctrl+U, +S, +C) but only in case the track is
focused.
If anyone really hates these, I will revert them.
Unless you can solve the following two problems, I think you should
revert them.
1. When you move the mouse pointer within a button, the tooltip flickers.
Does 14450d6d9fb650cc199f705b34ae49c1d8322fbb fix that for you?
Yes.
Post by Paul Licameli
Post by David Bailes
2. There is no delay before they appear, and so they get in the way of
normal usage.
This may vary with the operating system. Which system?
Windows 10, but that appears fixed as well.
Incidentally, the track menu has a shortcut (by default, shift+m).

I know that the tooltips do include any shortcuts, but for buttons which
have names rather than icons, tooltips look a little superfluousness, eg on
the mute and solo buttons.

David.
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Post by David Bailes
The tooltips for the buttons in the toolbars don't have these problems.
David.
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Paul Licameli
2017-07-17 16:12:30 UTC
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Post by David Bailes
Post by Paul Licameli
Post by David Bailes
Post by Paul Licameli
This is the last thing I'll push this release that isn't a bug fix.
I put a few tooltips back in track panel. None for the proper track
area. A few for the vertical rulers of Wave and Note tracks, the track
panel rearrange drag, and the menu, mute, solo, close, and minimize buttons.
I wanted at least to complete the similarity of TCP buttons to toolbar
buttons -- having a status message that agrees with the tooltip, and also
mentions the appropriate shortcut key. The oddity here is that mute, solo,
and close have shortcuts (Ctrl+U, +S, +C) but only in case the track is
focused.
If anyone really hates these, I will revert them.
Unless you can solve the following two problems, I think you should
revert them.
1. When you move the mouse pointer within a button, the tooltip flickers.
Does 14450d6d9fb650cc199f705b34ae49c1d8322fbb fix that for you?
Yes.
Post by Paul Licameli
Post by David Bailes
2. There is no delay before they appear, and so they get in the way of
normal usage.
This may vary with the operating system. Which system?
Windows 10, but that appears fixed as well.
Incidentally, the track menu has a shortcut (by default, shift+m).
Good point.

I have change that tooltip at 64ce79fef8d4896ed690191dc0db0bf81717ab2b to
"Open menu..." plus the shortcut.

It should be noticed too that these tooltips are smart about changes in
Keyboard preferences.
Post by David Bailes
I know that the tooltips do include any shortcuts, but for buttons which
have names rather than icons, tooltips look a little superfluousness, eg on
the mute and solo buttons.
That complaint applies only to Mute and Solo.

Perhaps they could have cute little icons instead. Like the speaker icon
with or without a "disable".

It occurs to me too now that the mixer board Mute and Solo do not have
similar tooltips. I will resist the temptation to do anything about them.

PRL
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David.
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The tooltips for the buttons in the toolbars don't have these problems.
David.
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